THE BOUNCE BACK PODCAST: EPISODE 1, KEITH GOLDEN (Transcript)

November 30th, 2018 | Bounce Back Podcast, Episode 1: Keith Golden

Produced by Emeka (Mek) Nwakibu, Nation Entertainment

I had the pleasure of chatting about yoga with a great teacher of mine, Keith Golden. Keith is one of the best teachers I have ever come across and I’m sure one that will just keep on getting better and better. It’s a great honor to be able to go to Keith’s class on a weekly basis and to watch others and myself grow in the process.

Episode 1: Keith Golden, TRANSCRIPT

Maëlis: All of the guests on this show are amazing contributors to the yoga community and we are excited to have you here thank you for listening.

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Maëlis: Welcome to the Bounce Back Podcast my name is Maëlis Mittig and this podcast is a podcast about everything yoga, we’ll be talking about a lot of different things but specifically as it relates to being a tool [yoga] to bounce back in life. How does it help us bounce back physically, emotionally, or from whatever we’re experiencing? That will be the focus of the podcast.

Today we have a very special guest in the house, Keith Golden, who is one of my yoga teachers. I’ve been taking Keith’s class for about a year now and there are not enough good things to say about him. He has one of the most amazing ways to connect with students, pushes us, and it’s kind of nice that you’re not giving me commands right now. LOL

I’m excited to pick your brain because again, your sequencing, your classes, as a teacher, I am very much in admiration of your practice and teaching so, without further ado, welcoming Keith Golden, Hello Keith.

Keith: Hey.

Maëlis: How’s it going?

Keith: Fabulous.

Maëlis: Good. Thank you for joining me today for this podcast. So today I want to hear a little bit about your yoga journey and more specifically, this podcast is going to be about how yoga can help with bouncing back from setbacks. Today I’d like to focus on, just because I’ve heard you talk a lot about this in class, the physical aspect of how yoga can help you bounce back. I know you have a shoulder story, maybe some other stories too. But let’s start by, oh wait! I have two questions. First question is: in 1 or 2 sentences, how do you bounce back in life and what does bouncing back mean to you?

Keith: That’s a good question. You bounce back by eliminating distractions and focusing on your highest potential.

Maëlis: That’s awesome thank you. And the other question just because I’m interested, quick fun question. What is your favorite yoga pose? For me it’s headstand I can just hang out it’s fun.

Keith: It changes but for the last year and a half just cat cow. Constantly cat cow.

Maëlis: Cool, so how did you get into yoga? I know you’re a previous rockstar guitar player so tell us a little bit about how you came to yoga.

Keith: A few years back I had back problems from a sedentary lifestyle, and somebody suggested a yoga video, ‘Yoga for Bad Backs,’ pretty pedestrian video and I started working with that. I eventually got more videos, Yoga for Athletes, Power Yoga, and I would just practice at home a lot with videos, and eventually saw more benefit than just for bad backs and for stretching, and when I got deeper into it I had been lifting weights a lot, and I felt like when I was lifting weights I was building arm strength, leg strength, but I wasn’t building gut deep strength. I always thought of it like, how insects can carry 600 times their weight, so I wanted to figure out a way to get deeper into my own inner power without just building up my limbs.

Maëlis: Nice, so when did you decide to start teaching?

Keith: Teaching was - I had been a professional musician for a number of years and didn’t want to do that anymore. Didn’t really know what I wanted to do. I had sought the guidance of a life influencer and she helped me decide and go through some choices and decisions and very early on I told her that I wanted to help and inspire people, and I knew athletics was part of it, but I have zero experience as a coach - just nothing other than, I know I can inspire people. About a half year after that - my practice was getting more consistent - and I went to an art exhibit with a person who was an old friend, Kim Manfredi, and she was also a yoga teacher, and the art exhibit explored ancient yoga art from India from five or six hundred years ago.

Maëlis: What museum?

Keith: It was some place in DC? I can't remember.

Maëlis: because there's one like that in New York. Do you know the one I'm talking about? In Chelsea? I'll have to look it up. (The Rubin Museum)

Keith: If I think of the one in DC I’ll send it to you.

[The art exhibit was called “Yoga: The Art of Transformation. This book features the artwork from the exhibit - https://www.amazon.com/Yoga-Art-Transformation-Debra-Diamond/dp/1588344592]

Maëlis: I would love that.

Keith: I was inspired two ways [and at this point, I still had zero idea what I wanted to do in life.] You know, yoga teaching or photography, nothing I was ever trained at just not music. In the exhibit Kim was really inspired by some of the pieces that spoke to teachers and she got a lot of inspiration. Meanwhile for me it was more like, in America yoga is often more like Yoga Journal, skinny white girls, and this whole thing is for boutiques and chic… and this exhibit was all these ancient brown dudes, and there were some pictures from the 1800s, actual photographs, and they just looked like dirty hillbillies and just deep meditation hillbillies. So it really touched me like, this is way beyond yoga journal. You have a place in this. If they can take yoga and make it all beautiful and gymnastic and “la la la” you can take it and make it how you perceive it, and be inspired by ancient stuff on your own. So the spark really was lit that day and now I’m deeper into my practice and just on on a mission to inspire people.

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Maëlis: I was reflecting on your classes before this episode and in general. When I go to your classes I go once a week and it’s like a reset. You kick our butts and push us and say “why are your knees off the ground?” and it makes me think “wow I can actually do this I’m just being lazy” so you have this way of inspiring and motivating I’m sure all of your students. It’s everybody. Your classes are always awesome and packed with good people.

So, what is your training in and how have you developed your own Keith Golden method because it really is cool. For me every time I come to your class I learn something new. You’ve been doing a lot with rotations and shoulder work, and random wrists things. So how do you come up with all of that and what is your background in style.

Keith: For yoga I was trained by Kim Manfredi. She was my 200 hour and 500 hour instructor for Charm City Yoga. The rotational stuff is functional range conditioning and it was conceived by Dr. Andreo Spina. I did a training with Mike Ranfone leading the training, that was in April of 2018. Those are my three certifications. Beyond that I’m just constantly studying. I take videos, I read, I listen to interviews, and I explore and I practice and it goes beyond just yoga. I went to a soccer game and I watched how players warmed up and I noticed that nobody warms up by stretching, everybody warms up by moving. There’s a time and place for stretching but it’s really important to move, and to get your body moving in ways that it doesn’t often move. So if you’re sitting in a chair all day then just move. That’s why cat/cow every day. And if you are active but let’s say you’re a pitcher throwing a baseball constantly, then you have to create movements in your body to prepare to do that repetitive motion and prevent injuries. And there are other sports where you have to prepare your knees from strange angles and incidental contact that could cause harm. So my practice is just constantly studying and exploring, even how animals move, just taking in as much information and finding ways to bring it into my practice and then take my practice and teach people.

Maëlis: Well it’s working very well. So you are full time yoga? What’s that like? What’s the business side of things like and how do you navigate that with social media and all the things going on right now?

Keith: Well the short answer is: I love it. As far as lifestyle, I practice. I control my eating. I work on my breathing. It’s a lifestyle and then I make a living by sharing my own practice and experiments and what works and what doesn’t. I’m always working and yet I’m always off. Even when I’m in teaching I’m in pleasure, and even when I’m practicing I’m in study. Everything is connected. I enjoy the constant flow of this lifestyle.

As far as the business goes, my experience has been great. I came into it ready to work. I worked really hard as a musician. I’m used to being independent and self motivated and my take is that it requires being independent and self motivated like everything. And so since I have those attributes, I’m able to go out and make it happen. I”m very lucky to be in this community. What Kim started with Charm City Yoga is a network of 7 studios so when you get hired into one you get hired into seven. THey’re spread out in a pretty wide geographic arrangement and then with YogaWorks coming in and adding what they’ve added, for me it’s been a blessing to have access to so many people to teach. That’s the intro to my professional experience.

[Keith teaches at 6 studios through YogaWorks. Schedule here: http://www.keithgolden.com/schedule/]

Maëlis: For somebody who is just getting started in their practice or in life in general since the theme is to bounce back. Personally I’ve experienced ups and downs in life and that discipline that you’re talking about, independence and motivation and all of that -- have you found ways to cultivate it and share with others?

I remember when I first started Bounce Yoga and we were chatting and you were like, “you just have to bounce every day, get on there and do the thing.” And for me I’m like, I have a full time job and I’m tired, I’m having a hard time finding the [inner fire]. For me it’s a slow rolling thing but how do you pass that along to people because that’s really beautiful.

Keith: One way is to just be an example. So it’s not like I’m the role model or anything but I just try to be about it. Before I taught yoga there was a period in life where I burned out on music and there was zero forward progress. It was a lifestyle of partying and no direction. I had bottomed out on music and didn’t know what I wanted. It was a spiral, not a spiral of depression and despair, but it was like, there’s no upward shit happening. I eliminated all the distractions which for me were, complicated and simple - lifestyle choices. Eliminating distractions is crucial, and then there’s a voice in all of us ready to tell us what we’re supposed to do.

Maëlis: Is that your third eye? Your intuition?

Keith: I’m not going to define it. It could be how people pray, how they meditate, their intuition, their gut. It could be so many things. There are aspects of us that are ready to motivate and I choose to listen to those. As far as it comes to other people. I try to share with them the potential that I see, while also saying like, people didn’t think that I would be this type of yoga teacher.

Maëlis: What type of yoga teacher did they think you would be?

Keith: I’m not gonna define what they thought but I heard that there would be challenges being an older, non hot, non woman, and I didn’t give a shit. I know I can inspire people. There’s always going to be doubters of what we try to do. For me I like the motivation of proving people wrong and I like to proving people right. I like to prove the believers right. This answer is just sharing my experience but when it comes to other people it’s to say that like, I overcame doubters and you can do it too. If you hear your voice is right, and if you set up your self-belief right you will recognize that your potential is greater than what I can see. That to me is the Bounce Back to Bounce Up. The ultimate bounce is to realized, I can do some amazing stuff, and keep at it.

Maëlis: To come back to the question of how do you help people see that or how do you help people motivate themselves. That’s what you do as a teacher. A lot of times for me I think ‘I have to do this by myself’ and it’s like, no actually you can surround yourself with people who do see your full potential or who see in times when you’re not “bounced back” you’re just not bouncing at all so that’s really cool and really special that this is one of the three things: and you’re out there doing it. I personally experience that myself. Your class has been a huge source of inspiration, this year was really intense for me, a lot of changing.

Cool, so let’s dive in. Right now I’m working with soccer teams and there's a lot of talk about the more anatomical, scientific aspects of yoga and you said something about cramping that was super interesting so I’d love to talk about that and then from more of a medical perspective -- how does yoga help you bounce back physically? How does it help you release pain? How does it help you move past injuries as athletes?

Keith: That’s like 3 hour question.

Maëlis: Yeah so you’re gonna have to wrap it up in 5 to 10 minutes, haha

Keith: In short yoga can be helpful in increasing flexibility. It can be helpful in increasing strength and it can be helpful in increasing balance. My experience especially in this year, is that it has been more helpful in just being a flashlight into what’s happening in my body. Yoga does not necessarily provide the tools to recover some of the things that are happening. I’ve had injuries that happened in yoga that I had to go elsewhere to heal: like physical therapy, functional range conditioning, etc. I’ve had injuries that happened away from yoga like when I sprained my shoulder, very significant injury. Yoga was only saying: You can’t do eagle pose, you can’t do this bind, all these things that you were able to do you can’t do because your shoulder ability is severely restricted right now. It was the functional range conditioning that helped me get my joints back. If people are specializing in therapeutic yoga, working with older populations, and people who know how to teach yoga from a therapy oriented place, it can be very helpful. But in general, yoga to me is almost like gymnastics: here are some challenges, how can you do these challenges, if you can’t you can keep practicing these challenges but you might have to do other things to help your body get ready for these challenges.

Maëlis: So the physical part is almost more of a mental challenge, right?

Keith: As far as stamina, especially in a hot class, that can be a big part of it. It's’ a great workout and you definitely get stronger from it.

Maëlis: So as an athlete what are the benefits of a physical yoga practice, other than flexibility, mobility, strength, endurance…

Keith: It depends on the athlete, those basics are there: flexibility, mobility with the right class, strength and endurance. There’s this character building that happens when people practice at least the way that I’m trying to teach it. There’s an opportunity to come away feeling like, “I just did some shit.” I moved, I accepted the challenge, and when I sucked at it how did I respond to it. Did I quit?

Maëlis: Did I bounce back?

Keith: Did I not like it? Sometimes I’ll teach poses in unconventional ways. People will be like, “how do I do it?’ and I’ll be like, “figure it out.” I don’t want to have to always tell. Teachers shouldn't always tell. Sometimes it’s better to present a challenge. Know that nobody is going to get hurt, but to be like, yo you’re in a maze, what are you doing to do?

So to an athlete, what happens when the score is 2-0, it’s 15 minutes into the soccer game, what are you gonna do? And now it’s 3-0. Are you gonna quit? Nah. Are you going to stay in it, and figure it out, and see their weakness, or figure out - what are they exploiting? Because you’re gonna have to figure a lot of that out, especially in soccer, without the coach telling you what to do. There’s no time outs.

In yoga if you take a time out then you chose it to. But if you choose to accept the challenges as presented by the teacher, especially the way I’m teaching, or teachers who teach this style, then you will definitely come away, if you’re able to connect those dots, with an understanding of oh, okay. I did that challenge there. I have that skill. What happens when I fact adversity?

Maëlis: So the benefits of yoga for athletes that you’re talking about is more of a really great workout that they should all be doing? Or maybe that’s my opinion.

Keith: I endorse your view.

Maëlis: Not so much on the anatomical, injury prevention, because a lot of people are focusing on yoga as a tool to prevent injury prevention. For me I understand that it’s both a mental tool injury prevention as well as a physical tool for injury prevention.

Keith: Absolutely yes to that.

Maëlis: Like you said, with planking for example. The more you can plank the stronger you get but the more resilient you get in your mind as well. So when you’re out on the field you’re like, well I just did that yoga practice so I can do anything I want.

Keith: Even sometimes when people are away from practice for a month or so and they come back and they’re like, wow it’s so hard when I come back. It’s nice to see how you’re going to respond. Are you going to lament missing a month or are you gonna say I’m back. Then you bounce back!

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Maëlis: Cool, so can you talk about the cramp thing that you talked about last night?

Keith: So we did an exercise that required being in a straddle split or a wide legged side split. Basically you’re sitting with your legs spread wide, then you have to lift one leg at a time, from a certain arrangement, and cramping often ensues. In a lot of the functional range conditioning exercises, cramping will happen. Cramping can happen for any number of reasons it could be that you’re dehydrated, maybe there’s a limitation that should be explored by physical therapy, sometimes it’s also just your brain entering panic mode and not feeling safe in that particular position. That’s where the exercise can really start to change your brain. If you do an exercise where there’s cramping, or even if there’s pain, not pain like closing angle pain which would mean if you move your arm a certain way and there’s pain where there shouldn’t be in a movement and there’s an injury there, well then you might have to experience healing first before you start to work on increasing flexibility and mobility. But once we’re confident that further injury can’t happen, the brain still has to be retrained because your brain is always going to way to protect, and want comfort and safety, so when an injury happens, it’s like, nah, we’re not going to risk that ankle turn, we’re not going to risk that muscle tear. When you are working on your recovery and when you’re working on your strengthening to prevent the injury, if you meditate on that area while you’re doing the movement, and have your brain specifically focus on this task: I am flexing my arm this way to help my elbow or my shoulder recover, then with daily practice, and steady meditation while you move, your brain will likely start to accept, okay there's no pain there’s no reason to panic, I don’t have to send the cramp signal, I don’t have to send the pain signal. I’m accepting that more range of motion is there in a safe way.

Maëlis: It makes total sense that if you’ve never done yoga or if you just got into yoga and you’ve been working out lifting weights or doing some more intensive workouts for  a a really long time, that’s going to happen. But to meditate through it, we’ve talked about this. In my alignment yoga teacher training, one of the big takeaways is: alignment is moving with intention, every more. So every move you make you’re intending and meditating on.

You briefly mentioned being a man in the yoga sphere which in the west or at least in the US. What do you have to say to other men? A lot of times I hear it’s too soft, it’s too easy. And actually, all men should be doing yoga. Our president should be doing yoga. That's my dream, to teach Donald Trump a yoga class just to wake him up a little bit. So, what do you have to say to men and yoga?

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Keith: For the record, I love your Trump comment. When he became president, I remember the first time when Kanye went to meet with him. I was like, You’re not going to change this dude by ignoring this dude. You have to be able to face whatever it is, adversity. I want to be able to interact with everybody. So, I fully applaud your efforts to share yoga with Trump, Pence, Melania and everybody at the white house. It’s definitely about helping people soften up and open up.

Your question about men and yoga: The first thing that comes to mind is when women bring their boyfriends who are skeptical and think it’s going to be easy and they just straight get their asses kicked; seeing the laughter and the joy. Yes, it is for all. You have to find the right class. Some classes are slow and boring, some classes might not be inspiring to anybody, to minorities, to men, to whatever it is. People who don’t want to hear about the woo woo. Some classes might not have enough woo woo and be too masculine. What I’m saying is, there are enough teachers to find a  style that speaks to you. For men, I mean if it benefits Lebron James, and it benefited Michael Jordan, and it benefits Kobe, then there’s something in here can benefit you too. And I could go on, but this is these are the first cats that came to mind. It’s a way of getting stronger physically and mentally. It’s also a way of softening.

It’s like Bruce Lee talking about being like water, how water changes to fit the container that it’s in or changes to fit the size of the lake or the river or the ocean that it’s in. That sort of softening is the strength that comes from yoga.

Maëlis: We live in a country right now where there is an imbalance in masculinity where you think you have to be an a-hole to be a man. And you really don’t. There is a yin and there is a yang. And you’ll find that in every practice. So yea, don’t be scared to do yoga boys.

As far as teaching, I’ve seen a huge increase of men teaching so who are your teachers and how do you recommend about finding a teacher? For me, I find a teacher that I just connect with, they’re pushing me, I’m learning, I’m growing. It’s not foofy but it’s still is. You’ve had moments of super vulnerability in class and you open up about things that are going on so for me that’s my perfect balance. And i’ve had other teacher I’ve had the same experience who I go to for different things. For example some teachers talk about the organs moving and I’m like, “wow my heart is dancing as I breathe.” so how do you find your teachers?

Keith: Kim was most definitely my first and main teacher. She’s moved to california so the teachings are more from the manuals and the notes that I’ve taken over the years. My other teacher is a teacher from Howard College, Helen Heller. Life changing, the way she had me look at myself with a journal, questions that she would ask, ways that she taught me as a student who knew more about yoga than most of the other people in the class. She would teach me almost separately as she was teaching the group. So I learned how to teach a group while also teaching to each individual. Those are my two main teachers. Beyond that, the conference that I did to learn FRC, what I’ve learned from  Mike Ranfone who ran that. Since then I do regular practice online with Zach Deckelbaum. That’s where I’m learning anatomy these days. Beyond that, just constant study. As far as motivating people I've read tons of books by coaches, trainers, I’m learning how to inspire groups, inspire individuals, interact with people, and to see people for who they are not who I need them to be. For example recognizing that if someone isn’t up for a hard practice, recognizing that they’re not up for a hard practice and not just being a  robot, recognizing that today might not be the day for that practice and recognizing the need to soften and to give them the space to be that person that day or that week.

Maëlis: Very true, you have the ability to tell whether we’re having a bad day or bullshitting. You’ve come around to me for example in plank asking “why are your knees on the ground?” and I’m like, “oh, you’re right. I can do this, why am I not doing it?” That over time really builds character.

So you don’t go to classes then?

Keith: I practice at home every day. There are days when practice is just cat/cow because of time or whatever. I have a yoga room. I have mats always set up. I have toys and props, so every day I practice. Occasionally I go to Monica Motley’s class at YogaWorks. When I teach, I’m just always about the home practice. Helen Heffer had us keep a home practice. What she was trying to teach was people who [truly] practiced yoga. We weren’t allowed to use videos, or go to public classes. You could go once a week and the rest was: What did you self motivate to? So that’s my philosophy and that’s how I live. I go to class on occasion. I believe that you might get ideas in a class, but you have get to your space to decipher: What does your mind call out for? What does your body call out for? What does your whole being call out for? Neck is stiff from sitting at the desk all day? Then your practice should be about freeing up your neck. If you have an injury or you have a big game, or you just finished a marathon? Your home practice will dictate that. So that’s how I live. I get up and I address what my body is calling for. Everybody else is a teacher. If I go to your class tomorrow then you’re my teacher and you’re who I learn from that day. Even right now you just taught me in this last hour. I see how deep you feel this concept of Bounce. I’ve seen it from the beginning and now I see it months later and you’re like, this is what I’m about. Resilience is beautiful. The Trump thing really resonates. It’s really about being open to people. Right now, Maëlis just put a stamp on being open to helping people and not shunning people for being different.

There are teachers everywhere. It’s not just in yoga class.

Maëlis: Right, it’s not just about the physical practice [in class]. For me, once I tapped in to what yoga meant for me, once I felt it, I was like, okay cool, I’m doing dishes and I’m doing yoga in my feet. I could be running and doing yoga. The concept of yoking mind body and spirit which is individual to each one of us, I’m passionate about it because it’s helped me so much in life. I’m a very hyped up person and I like to do lots of things and I’m very hard on myself. When I lived in New York, I was going through a similar thing that you were talking about when you stopped playing music. I was like, crap, I don’t like my job, I don’t like my boyfriend but yet I’m dying over this breakup. All these things made me question: Who am I? Where has Maëlis gone? I can’t find her? How did I get here on this plateau? And yoga was 100% what brought me back to myself. So if I can share this with people who are experiencing similar things, or not, this could be for people who are just chilling and happy. To me there are no bad things that could come out of yoga it’s just about connecting more to your body.

To close it out, one, thank you. I’m going to reiterate the three things you said about finding our own inner fire, or helping other people find and spark that inner fire:

  1. Eliminate distractions (you know in your body and spirit what these are)

  2. Listening to our inner voice and helping people tune into their inner voice

  3. Being a mirror for people’s higher selves

The last thing, at Bounce Yoga we do a daily mantra. I’ve been collecting mantras for years. When I left New York I had a one way ticket to LA and a one way ticket from Negril, Jamaica back to Brooklyn a month later. And I was balling on a budget, so I bounced around and I would college these yogi tea mantras and I had brought them with me. In the mornings I would wake up and pick one and carry it around with me for the day. So I’m going to have you pick a mantra if you’re down for it?

Keith: I want to pick a good one.

Maëlis: Yeah don’t pick a bad one.

Keith: I don’t have my readers so I’m going to have you read it.

Maëlis: Okay old man over here.

Keith:I have something in my eye. I don’t need glasses

Maëlis: Uh, huh. Okay so the mantra of the day is: A garden is a delight to the eye, and a solace to the soul.

Keith: How that hit me? We’re taping this in November. The weather has just started to get significantly chilly. There’s a rose bush that grows in my backyard. It blooms three times a year and the last bloom is October/November. Everyday I’ve been smelling it like, this is my last, this is my last. The other day it was 48 degrees, cold, like November cold, and the rose is looking at me like, dude, there’s not a lot of time left.

Maëlis: It’s like the beauty and the beast scene. The last petal falls like nooo!

Keith: So I went and got the best big sniff and my nose touched it and literally all the petals fell off right when I finished the sniff. It was like, here is your last chance. I got my full last chance, and it all disintegrated and there were the petals on the ground. It was beautiful. I’ve been in some life and death things with loved ones, and it was that same feeling of like: I’m so thankful I was here to experience that. So that’s what the garden mantra is for me. Appreciate it. Stop and smell the roses, you never know when it’s going to be the last time.  

Maëlis: Yes, exactly! My friends think I’m crazy because every time I pass a flower I have to smell it. I also pick flowers from public locations. This is my confession. I mean, why not? It’s a does of nature’s goodies. Anyways, cool, that’s beautiful. Do you have any last comments or thoughts or anything?

Keith: One, thanks for having me on. I enjoyed learning more about you and our conversations. Just in general, people should move. You asked me about cat/cow. Move your spine every day. Move your neck, the middle of your back, move your shoulders and your hips every day. Move every day. If you’re sitting in an office seven hours a day, move several times in that day. Instead of going over to talk to Janice for five minutes, do cat/cow for five minutes. Move and squat every day.

Maëlis: That’s so funny. You said that and Mek and I just straightened our backs. Totally agree. I used to do headstands at the office and people would be like, uh, okay Maëlis’ feet are in the air again.


On that note, I want to thank you for coming, for being willing to be part of my first podcast. I hope to bring lots of these conversations out for people to listen to and hopefully this one, at least for me it was super inspirational, and hopefully it can inspire some other people.

I want to thank Mek and Its Nation for producing dope content on repeat. If you’re not following @Itsnation, go follow Itsnation. We’ll close this out with a ringing of the bell. Keith you want to ring the bell?

Keith: No you ring it, you’re the master of the bell.

Maëlis: Thank you for joining us on The Bounce Back Podcast, wishing you a lot of bounce backs. As Big Sean would say, last night took an L, but tonight I bounce back.

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Namaste,

Maëlis

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